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Posted: 07.09.2021  ·  #1
2004 Diesel LHD Transit 125 T 350 with a problem!
It's started taking around five to ten seconds of cranking to start recently.
It finally starts fine then, ticks over and runs smoothly. Flies along on the flat, then slows gradually on hills (more than it should, almost embarrassing sometimes, I always pray there's a truck in front I can tuck behind!)).
The hill slowing has been going on for a year or two, so may or may not be connected?
Local garage suspected high pressure fuel pump, but other advice today says it's more likely air ingress from the fuel filter housing.
As I mentioned, it really runs fine when started, no black smoke, no audible problem ticking over.
Any thoughts? I'm really hoping it's not the pump at 750 euro plus VAT 😟


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Posted: 07.09.2021  ·  #2
Has anyone checked for any fault codes? That would be my first port of call rather than chasing the system. Symptoms do point to fuel but that could be HP pump, injectors, valves, sensors or air leaks.

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Posted: 07.09.2021  ·  #3
Sounds like it’s drawing air into the fuel system
The effect of air getting into the fuel system is? over night the fuel runs back to the fuel tank
the long crank is drawing the fuel back up
It could be the fuel pressure regulator on the fuel rail low power not holding the fuel pressure


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Thanks, I think I'll book into the nearest Ford garage for a proper investigation, rather than trial and error repairs.


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Where do you live


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Posted: 08.09.2021  ·  #6
This might interest some of technically minded folks here, I fitted a Bluetooth OB2 reader (16 euro) into my engine management port and use the Torque app for real time information from my engine. It displays on my android head unit I recently fitted and has some funky dashboards like fuel flow and power. One handy feature is that you can see engine fault codes.


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Posted: 08.09.2021  ·  #7
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Sunny Skibbereen 😎


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Posted: 08.09.2021  ·  #8
The reason I asked? there’s a fella specialises in transits in belfast to far


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Posted: 09.09.2021  ·  #9
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The reason I asked? there’s a fella specialises in transits in belfast to far


Thanks anyway, I've booked in to leave it with Tony at Beech Grove (Fossa, Killarney). I'll drive over (wife in car behind!) and leave it there after we get back from this end of season trip. He'll keep it for a few weeks and sort it...he has friends in the right places 🤞


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Update ...it was the high pressure fuel pump. Recon unit fitted today by an amazing travelling repair guy. Name and details available if needed, Bosch expert btw.
The situation rang a distant bell...looking through my MH service history I realised that I spent 1400 euro in 2010 having a new pump fitted, after the van refused to start in my driveway one morning.
This was when the van was only six years old, with typical MH low mileage.
Now it's had to be replaced again.
Should I expect more than eleven years out of a Bosch unit?


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Glad you got it sorted

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Posted: 25.09.2021  ·  #12
The fact that it's a low mileage Camper may be the problem in itself, the pump is probably the finest machined pieces of equipment on the van,which is meant to be run hot and lubricated, now add water in the fuel, because tanks not kept full /condensation etc, so you can have water droplets sitting in the pump allowing rust corrosion.

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Posted: 25.09.2021  ·  #13
My thoughts are contaminated fuel,so that can either be at source of purchase or exactly as Sprinter has explained.


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Posted: 25.09.2021  ·  #14
I don't think any of us realise just how much our motorhomes are part of our lives...until there's a problem. Then there's a continuing sense of unease until the problem is sorted.
When everything is back to normal, we're then delighted....in spite of spending hundreds of euro to be back where we were in the first place! 🙄


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Posted: 25.09.2021  ·  #15
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................ now add water in the fuel, because tanks not kept full /condensation etc, so you can have water droplets sitting in the pump allowing rust corrosion.


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Posted: 26.09.2021  ·  #16
A full tank when parking up for an extended period should help prevent condensation. It seems somewhat counterintuitive but the less air in the tank, the less capacity for condensation even from 100% humidity to near 0%.

Another thing to do more frequently than the recommended service interval is the Fuel Filter which usually has a water trap to separate any moisture from the fuel. It's usually a handy enough job for any semi competent DIY mechanic.


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Thanks BM. At least a full tank is still possible in Ireland (for now, anyway!)


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Posted: 27.09.2021  ·  #18
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Thanks BM. At least a full tank is still possible in Ireland (for now, anyway!)


Only a matter of time, the EU burocrats have been making truck driving an expensive and pain in the arse job for years and it'll bite eventually, it's been coming for the last 10 yrs

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Posted: 27.09.2021  ·  #19
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Thanks BM. At least a full tank is still possible in Ireland (for now, anyway!)


Only a matter of time, the EU burocrats have been making truck driving an expensive and pain in the arse job for years and it'll bite eventually, it's been coming for the last 10 yrs


Funny how our RSA so vigilantly check for noncompliance of EU regs by commercial drivers, yet at the same time fail to comply with EU regs which are beneficial to us motorhome users

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Posted: 28.09.2021  ·  #20
Our first trip with the starting problem solved, instant response with a turn of the key. That's the good news.
Disappointed that it hasn't resulted in the promised performance improvement.
As before, the engine runs fine, no problem on flat roads. Absolutely flies along.... that is until we reach a hill.
Then the van gradually slows to a reduced speed, which it holds until the hill is passed. For instance, 70kph gradually drops to 55kph but doesn't drop further.
In some single-lane cases it results in an embarrassing tail-back.
I'm hoping someone out there has had identical symptoms. After a full service, then replacing the injection pump and fuel filter, funds are low , so I need to try and get it right this time.
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Posted: 28.09.2021  ·  #21
I think you've said before that yours is a non turbo so that rules one thing out and the new pump and fuel filter rule them out too obviously.

Another possibility is the EGR valve could be gummed up and sticking open. A possible easy fix for this would be get a bottle of dipetane (available at motor factors for about €10 for a 1l bottle, it's available at some petrol stations too but more expensive). For something like this I'd chuck the full bottle into about a 1/4 tank of diesel and do a bit of spirited driving (ok it's a MoHo so maybe drive at a gear or two lower than you normally would for 10 to 15km) and then maybe a good long run.

There are also EGR cleaner sprays you can get which you spray into the air intake which cost in the order of €10 to 15, takes a little more effort to use them and will probably have similar results.

Two low cost DIY options that you could choose from before engaging a mechanic. It's also possible to remove and clean the EGR, not sure how accessible it would be on your particular van, but any mechanic should be able to do it for you if it's not viable DIY.


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Posted: 28.09.2021  ·  #22
Thanks for the detailed and really useful reply, very much appreciated and lifted my spirits! I was using Dipetane for a good while a year or two back (one graduation per 10 litres etc) but got out of the habit. I just use it now before CVRTs.
I'll certainly take your advice, probably get the EGR valve cleaned by my local garage. I'll let you know progress!
Btw, what is it, and what does it do?


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It is to control NOx emissions,
It connects the exhaust manifold to the intake manifold and is controlled by either a vacuum or a built-in electric step motor. The function of the EGR valve is to control the flow of exhaust gas being recirculated depending on the engine load.

A faulty EGR valve can cause problems with the flow and operation of the EGR system leading to performance issues including a reduction in power, reduced acceleration and decreased fuel efficiency. ... EGR valves can become stuck 'open' or 'closed' due to a build-up of soot particles, carbon deposits and dirt from fuel.


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Posted: 28.09.2021  ·  #24
Just an afterthought...and possibly a clue? After the mechanic got us started in Galway (showing how to spray a burst of brake cleaner into the air intake while cranking) we headed to Dungarvan, and I'd swear on the way it seemed to be performing way better for a while?

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