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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #1
There’s no beating around the bush on this one. I need a replacement engine for my Movano (2006, 2.5 Cdti, same as Renault Master). The garage have asked me to start googling, which doesn’t inspire me with too much confidence that it will be easy to find one.

If any of you diesel heads can point me in the right direction, I’d be mighty obliged!
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #2
Bummer Jason... All I can offer is call all the breakers North and South..... Im sure you will source one somewhere in Ireland.
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #4
Don't have any definitive line but the Nissan Interstar and later NV400 would be badge engineered variants too and may give you a slightly broader base to search from
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #5
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There’s no beating around the bush on this one. I need a replacement engine for my Movano (2006, 2.5 Cdti, same as Renault Master). The garage have asked me to start googling, which doesn’t inspire me with too much confidence that it will be easy to find one.

If any of you diesel heads can point me in the right direction, I’d be mighty obliged!

Phone Pat Skelton 053 9377037 ( Bunclody dismantlers) tomorrow afternoon I spoke to him today,he hadn't got a good one, but might have word on one, Tomorrow.
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #6
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There’s no beating around the bush on this one. I need a replacement engine for my Movano (2006, 2.5 Cdti, same as Renault Master). The garage have asked me to start googling, which doesn’t inspire me with too much confidence that it will be easy to find one.

If any of you diesel heads can point me in the right direction, I’d be mighty obliged!

Phone Pat Skelton 053 9377037 ( Bunclody dismantlers) tomorrow afternoon I spoke to him today,he hadn't got a good one, but might have word on one, Tomorrow.


That’s a good tip thanks for that Martin. I may well be calling him.
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #7
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Don't have any definitive line but the Nissan Interstar and later NV400 would be badge engineered variants too and may give you a slightly broader base to search from


Yes Brian, the Interstar was of the same line. The problem I am having is the variants. I’ll explain more in my next reply.
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #8
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Bummer 😕

A quick search in eBay found this...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ren…635-2958-0


Thanks Ally. I found the same engine G9U 650 available at Traynors Armagh. The problem for me is my engine is a G9U 754. Both 2.5 litre and both were in use in the 2006 Movano. The guy at Traynors reckoned they are practically identical and should work. The difference might come down to accessories. I spoke to my garage and he told me to be careful. I asked him to call the guy at Traynors. I haven’t heard back yet. A subtle difference perhaps is the 650 is 101Hp, the 754 is 99Hp. Apart from that I don’t know what else is different.

I also got a call from a local dismantlers who have an engine from a 2005 Movano, but looking up his reg it is 115Hp, 2.5 DTi. Being DTI and not CDTI, they are hardly interchangeable are they? And what about 115 Hp instead of 99 Hp. Does it matter?
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #9
Well no CDTI injection is common rail so forget the last piece.
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #10
Jason...As you say...the engine blocks may all be very similar but I'd be wary....you don't want a situation where the wiring harness won't mate up etc...not to mention the ecu. Try to find the exact replacement... breakers will tell you anything just to make a sale....they also don't like taking returns either.
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #11
rambler, that's a balls. I'm sorry to ask, but is it definitely a new engine needed...would'nt be the first 'mechanic' to say an engine was needed when it was'nt! What is actually wrong?
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #12
Well the timing belt went and the crankshaft won’t turn. I’m not sure how much faith I’m putting in the garage right now. I don’t think they are overly enthusiastic to sort me out.
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #13
If the timing belt went then that would require a head refurbishment ie probably bent valves.
Many an engine was refurbished after a timing belt broke,but in today's world nothing is repaired,just bolt on the new parts.
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 ·  Posted: 24.08.2021  ·  #14
I came across a site that showed me the engine code based on the Irish reg plate. I can’t find anymore. Does that ring a bell with anyone?
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 ·  Posted: 25.08.2021  ·  #15
Engine repair or replacement, look at both options Jason, repair may be the best option
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 ·  Posted: 25.08.2021  ·  #16
Jason,

Connaught 4x4 dismantlers in Tuam break vans aswell as jeeps,
Might be worth a call 👍🏼
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 ·  Posted: 25.08.2021  ·  #17
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Engine repair or replacement, look at both options Jason, repair may be the best option


I’m weighing it up Dave. I’ve agreed to take an engine that has a slightly different code but I am thinking of cancelling that, despite ensurances from the supplier that it is a suitable replacement. Apart from that , you never know the history of the replacement and we are talking about something that’s 15 years old from a vehicle that’s written off.

If I go the repair route, it’s going to be expensive but at least there would some piece of mind. The van currently without an engine is worth nothing, apart from some scrap value and some motorhome spares. I’ve thought about scrapping it but with an engine in it, it could be worth €15,000 in today’s market. Not that I want to sell. And of course the lifelong memories created in a trustworthy van is priceless.

I spoke with a nice fellow at Excel Engine Services in the UK. He told me be careful about the engine codes not matching. He was no sales man, just a pretty pleasant engineer. He gave me the breakdown for repairing my engine , and courier costs etc. I’ll have to have a sit down with SWMBO about this.

Are there any similar engine repair service on this Island? I wonder does Brexit impose extra duties, or VAT on services remembered in GB?
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 ·  Posted: 25.08.2021  ·  #18
I would think it would cost around€3000 to rebuild the engine but I could be talking from where the sun don't shine 😁

Try
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 ·  Posted: 25.08.2021  ·  #19
Plenty of engine builders/repairers in NI, or at least their used to be. I'm sure @JJF could probably recommend someone.
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 ·  Posted: 25.08.2021  ·  #20
I would be very surprised if you couldn’t find a decent mechanic around Galway to do it.
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 ·  Posted: 25.08.2021  ·  #21
Just when I had my mind made up to rebuild engine, the garage and the supplier of said 2nd engine of slightly different engine code agreed between them that the proposed replacement will work. So it is going ahead. All I can say is, it is out of my hands now. 😬
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 ·  Posted: 25.08.2021  ·  #22
Best of luck with that one Jason... hope all goes well and you can get back on the road.....
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 ·  Posted: 25.08.2021  ·  #23
Good luck, fingers crossed it all goes well, I'm sure it will.
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 ·  Posted: 26.08.2021  ·  #24
Best of luck Jason, hope you get it back on the road with a successful repair cheaply
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 ·  Posted: 27.08.2021  ·  #25
Do you think they will just swap the heads over, or is it usual for the pistons to be broken as well. I didn’t think the whole engine needed to replaced for a broken timing belt.
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 ·  Posted: 27.08.2021  ·  #26
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Do you think they will just swap the heads over, or is it usual for the pistons to be broken as well. I didn’t think the whole engine needed to replaced for a broken timing belt.


If the valves are damaged, it's because they've been struck by the pistons so likely to be superficially damaged at the very least but even if they weren't, mechanics are very reluctant to do a head swap, they'll almost always prefer to go for a full engine swap.
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 ·  Posted: 28.08.2021  ·  #27
I’d still take off the head and have a proper look, Did the belt break at high engine revs ?
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 ·  Posted: 28.08.2021  ·  #28
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I’d still take off the head and have a proper look, Did the belt break at high engine revs ?


The garage don’t want to know about that Pat. I can’t say if I was doing high revs or not. There were some hills and bends. I might have been climbing in a low gear with high revs but I really can’t remember exactly when the engine cut out. I certainly wasn’t cruising
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 ·  Posted: 29.08.2021  ·  #29
I don't know Jason, If you had a good engine that was running ok and not burning oil, Id definitely investigate it a bit further, you know if there was no damage done at all that engine will not turn over without the timing belt properly timed. I don't know the garage but I do know that they have you over a barrel, they could charge you anything and you have no choice but to pay if you want it back. I wouldn't be surprised if your old engine was bombing it along road again in another van in a short time.
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 ·  Posted: 29.08.2021  ·  #30
I’m over a barrel alright Pat. I don’t have the luxury or resources to be investigating it further. It’s stuck in their yard. If they’re telling me there’s internal damage and the crankshaft doesn’t turn and they won’t attempt a repair then there is no more investigation I can do.

I would hope that if they thought that engine would be worth something to someone then they would realise there is a customer lined up for it. Here I am. If I had a trailer and a large yard or shed, I’d take away the old engine.
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 ·  Posted: 30.08.2021  ·  #31
The engine not turning over is to do with the valves having been bent due to the timing belt having broken .
The valves then got bent due to hitting the top of the pistons because they were out of timing,now the engine will not turn over because the pigeons are hitting the bent ones that are not closing properly.
I would be very surprised if the head was off that engine that it would not turn over.
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 ·  Posted: 30.08.2021  ·  #32
I’m sure it can be repaired. That wouldn’t be too cheap to do either surely.
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 ·  Posted: 30.08.2021  ·  #33
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I’m sure it can be repaired. That wouldn’t be too cheap to do either surely.


Jason. Most everything can be repaired, and if done by a competent mechanic it is the guaranteed way to go. but not necessarily the cheapest.
You have to be aware of what is going on.If a piston hits a valve and it is rarely only one piston and one valve, so to start with every cylinder that has a hit, you would want to replace the piston, and the Big End end bearings,and for good measure check the crankshaft for balance and damage, then move on to the head, all bent valves, will also have damaged the guides and will need replacement, that's only if they are not stuck in the combustion chamber of the head, all other valves and guides will have to be checked, for bent or damage, modern mostly aluminum cylinder heads do not take punishment, a complete new head is probably the best way to go, add to all of the above Labor charges. ( could take 40/ 50 hours )
I have seen valves broken off and stuck in the top of pistons like mushrooms.
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 ·  Posted: 30.08.2021  ·  #34
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I’m sure it can be repaired. That wouldn’t be too cheap to do either surely.


Jason. Most everything can be repaired, and if done by a competent mechanic it is the guaranteed way to go. but not necessarily the cheapest.
You have to be aware of what is going on.If a piston hits a valve and it is rarely only one piston and one valve, so to start with every cylinder that has a hit, you would want to replace the piston, and the Big End end bearings,and for good measure check the crankshaft for balance and damage, then move on to the head, all bent valves, will also have damaged the guides and will need replacement, that's only if they are not stuck in the combustion chamber of the head, all other valves and guides will have to be checked, for bent or damage, modern mostly aluminum cylinder heads do not take punishment, a complete new head is probably the best way to go, add to all of the above Labor charges. ( could take 40/ 50 hours )
I have seen valves broken off and stuck in the top of pistons like mushrooms.


I reckon the garage see it that way too Martin. They are not in the business of rebuilding engines. I was seriously considering sending the engine to a company in GB that ‘remanufacture’. All in, the quoted cost was about €2,500 including pickup and delivery. What you’re getting for that money is an engine that is considered to have zero miles on the clock, according to that company. But alas, a previous enquiry on a 2nd hand engine would eventually bear fruit. That engine was delivered today. So fingers crossed it goes in ok and works.
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 ·  Posted: 30.08.2021  ·  #35
Hope all goes well Jason and you are back on the road very soon :up:
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 ·  Posted: 30.08.2021  ·  #36
good stuff, hope it all goes well
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 ·  Posted: 01.10.2021  ·  #38
Well at long last I got the van home with engine replaced. It only spend 6 weeks in the garage! It won't get a proper run for at least another couple of weekends however.

Now one thing I noticed when the van came off the recovery truck and dropped off at the garage all those weeks ago , was the absence of a UHF antenna on the roof where once one did sit. It was just another thing to roll my eyes at on the day and an oddity for sure. But it wasn't on the top of my agenda at the time. I scratched my head the following day trying to figure out what could have happened, trying to figure out when I last saw it, tuned it in etc. ??

The answer was obvious enough when I thought about it. The van set up high on a flatbed recovery truck. The driver was taking no hostages on those winding Burren roads. It was scary the way he took those bends, especially with those overhanging tree branches that came in the window once or twice. Well you can guess what happened.

So can anyone recommend an omni-directional antenna? I don't know the make or model I had. It wasn't the dome type, it was more like a saucer with a little vertical dipole in the middle.
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 ·  Posted: 01.10.2021  ·  #40
That looks like the one alright Jon. Cheers.

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