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Posted: 11.02.2021  ·  #2
That's an AGM battery, unless you're 100% sure your charging system is optimised for AGM batteries, then you're wasting your money.

If you want a Varta battery then the LDF90 is what you want, this is also sold as a Bosch L5013. These are Enhanced Flooded Batteries or EFB's and have supplanted AGM's in most applications where AGMs were used as recently as 5 years ago.

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Thanks BM, I am aware it is an AGM battery. I have the facility to charge AGM.
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I'd go for the LDF 90 too, agm isn't all it was supposed to be


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Perhaps not the cheapest, but Donaghys seem to fit Varta to their Hymer stock. Might be worth the cost of a phone call.

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Eurocarparts are always offering discounts on batteries


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Thank you, are the LDF 90 maintenance free?


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Yes they are maintenance free
While I would also recommend the LFD 90, that's a very good price on the AGM


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Halfords have a battery HLB 700 which I think is a re badged Yuesa EFB 100ah battery @ €135


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Halfords have a battery HLB 700 which I think is a re badged Yuesa EFB 100ah battery @ €135


20% Discount on Halfords Batteries with the Axa Plus Card, so you'll get one for €108.

If you're insured with Dolmen you can get the card but you might get away with just showing them the insurance cert in the meantime.


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Halfords have a battery HLB 700 which I think is a re badged Yuesa EFB 100ah battery @ €135


20% Discount on Halfords Batteries with the Axa Plus Card, so you'll get one for €108.

If you're insured with Dolmen you can get the card but you might get away with just showing them the insurance cert in the meantime.



Those Halford batteries are a real pig in a poke, personally, I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.
The one you mentioned includes 200 cycles but without the DoD (Depth of Discharge) to which the 200 is relevant.
The number of cycles a battery is capable of when taken to a particular DoD is the only real way of determining its long term capability.


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Halfords have a battery HLB 700 which I think is a re badged Yuesa EFB 100ah battery @ €135


20% Discount on Halfords Batteries with the Axa Plus Card, so you'll get one for €108.

If you're insured with Dolmen you can get the card but you might get away with just showing them the insurance cert in the meantime.



Those Halford batteries are a real pig in a poke, personally, I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole.
The one you mentioned includes 200 cycles but without the DoD (Depth of Discharge) to which the 200 is relevant.
The number of cycles a battery is capable of when taken to a particular DoD is the only real way of determining its long term capability.


50% DOD is the benchmark for Lead Acid cyclic testing unless otherwise stated

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Enhanced Flooded Battery (EFB) technology is a recent addition to the market, introduced primarily to aid vehicle manufacturers in meeting emissions control requirements in entry level start-stop vehicles. Typical vehicle manufacturer standards require that these batteries survive more than 200 cycles at 50% DOD which correlates to 50-60 cycles at 100% DOD. This makes EFB batteries suitable for mid-range leisure requirements where some degree of cyclic durability is required.

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I’m currently doing some recabling of power distribution and tidying around my battery compartment. I’m creating space to add a second battery and was looking at those Halfords, the HLB 700. I have the HLB 618 (only 80 cycles) that I think might be on the way out.


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50% DOD is the benchmark for Lead Acid cyclic testing unless otherwise stated

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New Technologies
EFB Technology (Mid-Range)

Enhanced Flooded Battery (EFB) technology is a recent addition to the market, introduced primarily to aid vehicle manufacturers in meeting emissions control requirements in entry level start-stop vehicles. Typical vehicle manufacturer standards require that these batteries survive more than 200 cycles at 50% DOD which correlates to 50-60 cycles at 100% DOD. This makes EFB batteries suitable for mid-range leisure requirements where some degree of cyclic durability is required.



Great link :up:

My last two pair of batteries 2005 > 2012 and 2012 > 2018 were semi-traction (Varta and Banner Energy Bull) and they took a lot of abuse. Current ones Monbat Deep Cycle, 2018 > are still working well and they were less than half the price of replacement Banners.
I do a lot of off-grid, relying on a B2B charger when on the road and Solar when parked up and rarely take an ehu unless it's included in the pitch price.

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I’m currently doing some recabling of power distribution and tidying around my battery compartment. I’m creating space to add a second battery and was looking at those Halfords, the HLB 700. I have the HLB 618 (only 80 cycles) that I think might be on the way out.


I have 2 x HLB 700 batteries since April 19, they seem to be OK but unfortunately they haven't had much use in the last year and I have no idea how long they'll last, but you do get a 2 year guarantee

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Does anyone know if a battery guarantee is any good. Surely they are going to say it was misused. Just asking..,.


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Does anyone know if a battery guarantee is any good. Surely they are going to say it was misused. Just asking..,.


Halfords do honor the guarantee, no idea about other suppliers


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Halfords seem to be excellent in this regard. Our son was visiting us at Christmas in his ancient Toyota Yaris which had been having battery problems since he acquired it 6 months previously. He went to our local Halfords on Sunday 27th Dec to buy a new battery. They immediately identified it as one of theirs,scanned it and said it was covered by warranty,fitted a replacement and gave him a name to contact in his local Halfords if he had any more problems. I must say I was impressed.


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Everyday is a schoolday. I often wondered about battery warranty. 👍


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How about this, twice the available power of a lead acid at about half the weight. Delivery in a few days from Poland.
€ 357,81 32%OFF | 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 Storage Battery BMS Lithium Power Batteries 3000 Cycles For RV Campers Golf Cart Off-Road Off-grid Solar Wind
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLXRL9z


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How about this, twice the available power of a lead acid at about half the weight. Delivery in a few days from Poland.
€ 357,81 32%OFF | 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 Storage Battery BMS Lithium Power Batteries 3000 Cycles For RV Campers Golf Cart Off-Road Off-grid Solar Wind
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLXRL9z


Plus €71 postage, possibly worth a look if you were buying a new van for long-term ownership


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How about this, twice the available power of a lead acid at about half the weight. Delivery in a few days from Poland.
€ 357,81 32%OFF | 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 Storage Battery BMS Lithium Power Batteries 3000 Cycles For RV Campers Golf Cart Off-Road Off-grid Solar Wind
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLXRL9z


Have a look again at that, when I looked it stated cannot ship to Ireland from Poland, it will ship from China for €71.
delivery would probably on Yak 9 transport.😁


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How about this, twice the available power of a lead acid at about half the weight. Delivery in a few days from Poland.
€ 357,81 32%OFF | 12V 100Ah LiFePO4 Storage Battery BMS Lithium Power Batteries 3000 Cycles For RV Campers Golf Cart Off-Road Off-grid Solar Wind
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mLXRL9z


Have a look again at that, when I looked it stated cannot ship to Ireland from Poland, it will ship from China for €71.
delivery would probably on Yak 9 transport.😁


That's ok if you're not in a hurry. If it doesn't arrive in three months you get your money back. If it arrives later it's yours to keep for free. This has already happened to me and others I know :-)

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Free shipping if you buy 2

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I normally use Tayna batteries in N Wales as I find them very reasonable
They used to ship to Europe but I’m unsure what the story is now.
You can normally chip a bit off the price if you phone them

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Free shipping if you buy 2


That's great they probably use the second one to continually jump start the Yak 9.

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Free shipping if you buy 2


That's great they probably use the second one to continually jump start the Yak 9.


All jokes aside, there must be massive markups (100%) or more along the way to retailers in the leisure sector when one considers similar 100ah LiFePO4 batteries are listed at €800 or more, and they probably mostly come from China anyway.

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Free shipping if you buy 2


That's great they probably use the second one to continually jump start the Yak 9.


All jokes aside, there must be massive markups (100%) or more along the way to retailers in the leisure sector when one considers similar 100ah LiFePO4 batteries are listed at €800 or more, and they probably mostly come from China anyway.


Its Called the MMCL tax usually applied at rate of between 80% and 140%

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I normally use Tayna batteries in N Wales as I find them very reasonable
They used to ship to Europe but I’m unsure what the story is now.
You can normally chip a bit off the price if you phone them


Tayna aren't shipping here anyway


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A LiFePo battery would be nice alright, should be robust to 80%DoD which means that a 100AH battery would give a usable capacity equivalent to 160AH Lead Acid.

Shipping from China however leaves you open to possibility of 10%CCT and 21% VAT on the cost including shipping which would tip it up to €570. Small packets slip under the customs radar, I doubt this would. Even if you split an order for two of them with someone else to get free shipping it's going to tip €475. Could still be worthwhile if you need the extra usable capacity in the same form factor as something like the LFD90 or HLB700.


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