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 ·  Posted: 18.06.2017  ·  #1
Hi All, hoping that someone might be able to help us get back on the road after our breakdown 😥(see 'Breakdown on way to Roslare' post from a few weeks ago)

We are on the lookout for a replacement engine. The timing belt went and caused all sorts of damage to the engine so we need an engine 'transplant' to get us going again.

East Coast Campers are continuing to look for an engine and a few others also (Thanks jjF / Jon "craic'r" for putting the feelers out too)

The type of engine we are looking for is a: 2006 Fiat Ducato 2.8 jtd.
Model number : 8140.43N

We can find a few similar engines (8140.43S's) but are told we need to get the 'N' version which apparently was only used 2005/2006 which adds to the difficulty.
The 'S' version is apparently slightly less powerful.

Two questions:

1) Does anyone out there know where we might get one of these 43N engines? I have tried Bridge Vans, Traynors and a few others to no avail.

2) Would any of you know if an 'S' engine might be an option? Other than the decrease in power is there any other major 'blocker' from us using one of these engines?

Thanks for any assistance that anyone might be able to give us. (2 weeks off the road and itching to just get back on it!😀)

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 ·  Posted: 18.06.2017  ·  #2
Is the engine shared with the Iveco Daily? If so, it may increase the search base. The other thing to consider, iirc it was a timing belt failure, the valves are most likely damaged but if the pistons are intact, you may find the cylinder head is common across the two engine types with the extra power coming from an uprated turbo/intercooler. You may get away with swapping the cylinder head from the more common engine. It'll take research and a willing mechanic but it could get your van back on the road.
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 ·  Posted: 18.06.2017  ·  #3
I used to find the Ford Transit forum really useful for my Transit based questions. I dare say the Fiat forum is just as helpful. I know many on the UK Motorhome forums have a good word for them, worth signing up and asking.

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 ·  Posted: 18.06.2017  ·  #4
Traynors ,I think there in Belfast and partfinder.ie ,hope this helps
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 ·  Posted: 18.06.2017  ·  #5
Another option to consider is to buy a van which has failed a doe/mot due to rust ,broken chassis, etc but the engine is running. This allows a mechanic fit the donor engine into your camper and what left is sent to the crusher. It is a bit of a gamble but is probably your best option.
Alternatively there is an engine rebuild specialist located in Tullow Co. Carlow (30-40 minutes from east coast campers) . They trade as high precision motor products. They are not cheap but have decades of experience in engine restoration and rebuilds.
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 ·  Posted: 18.06.2017  ·  #6
Thanks for your replies.

Davy, that a good tip. I'll see what I can find out from the fiat forum.

BM, I've seen that the model number for the iceco daily seems to be the same but I'm afraid I wouldn't know much at all about engines. I'll see if I can get some guidance from th fiat forums.

Eirbus, I have tried Traynors and no luck. I have also tried partfinders.ie and will see what comes of the that.

Thorn123, thanks this might be an option too. Will see if I can find something like that and may reach out to the place in Tullow.
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 ·  Posted: 18.06.2017  ·  #7
Same donky as iveco but some odds and ends may have to be changed over,you are ment to change belts and if you do get a engine this is a must.
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 ·  Posted: 18.06.2017  ·  #8
I forgot to post this above.
Check out some of your local Polish or eastern european mechanics. The fiat engine that your are looking for is very popular in Europe and these guys are known to import their parts into this country as they don't trust some of the irish breakers.
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 ·  Posted: 18.06.2017  ·  #9
Thorn ., I looked up www.brilliantsave.co,uk on line tonight and came up with an engine on ebay same as yours in Darlington £500, VRSBODYPARTS you would have to arrange shipping but I could if needed give you a contact in Derry, which I have used myself . There is a Doherty Transit spares at Cockhill in Buncrana as I have been told these engines are related.
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 ·  Posted: 19.06.2017  ·  #10
The common Transit/Fiat-Citroen-Peugeot engine is the 2.2 puma engine. The 2.8 wasn't used in Fords.
The 43N is the higher output engine and is shared with the iveco, it is the least common type. Can get the 43S type easily enough.
It may be possible to use the 43S head on a 43N engine although the injection systems may differ but I'm not sure, if I'd differs then interchanging will be a problem (matching ECU to type, Bosch/Siemens/Delphi) .
The best solution was a repair to original head, but it seems to be damaged beyond repair which is strange unless it actually dropped a valve, and if that happened the bottom end would have been wrecked too. It's amazing what can be done to a damaged head, I've had one where both valve seats were replaced, new guides made and fitted, cam replaced as it was broken in 3 places, new cam caps made and fitted and line bored, skimmed and refitted. Not a cheap option but it was repairable.
That was on a 2010 16 valve Citroen C5 diesel and done 50 K since without issue.
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 ·  Posted: 19.06.2017  ·  #11
Fiat and iveco are the same company. Fiat does the cars and some small vans and iveco does the commercial side, big vans, trucks etc.
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 ·  Posted: 19.06.2017  ·  #12
Nilrac, thanks for the post. Do you still see that engine as available? I can't see it.

jjF/Thorn, thanks for the info. So are you saying that really we can look for the exact engine model (43N) and it does not matter whether it can from an iveco or fiat van?
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 ·  Posted: 19.06.2017  ·  #13
Justin, dont know if still available but the name is VRS Green Lane Gateshead 01914692355, If you put car salvage Darlington ( or any other area) in your search engine you will see their names and numbers. The north of england is much cheaper than south.
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 ·  Posted: 19.06.2017  ·  #14
Might I suggest that your vehicle needs to be with a specialist engine re-builder rather than in it's current location. Or at least have the damaged components inspected by a specialist rather than some one who has the facilities but may not have the technical abilities to carry out the repair.
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 ·  Posted: 19.06.2017  ·  #15
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Justin, dont know if still available but the name is VRS Green Lane Gateshead 01914692355, If you put car salvage Darlington ( or any other area) in your search engine you will see their names and numbers. The north of england is much cheaper than south.


Thanks, am getting in contact with them now. Appreciate your help!
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 ·  Posted: 19.06.2017  ·  #16
Justin ,while trawling for your engine I found a 1997 Swift Motorhome with some roof damage, done 46000 miles on copart.co.uk with a bid of £2800 .Bids closing in a few days. Might be some use
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Justin ,while trawling for your engine I found a 1997 Swift Motorhome with some roof damage, done 46000 miles on copart.co.uk with a bid of £2800 .Bids closing in a few days. Might be some use


Thanks nilac.. really appreciate you spending time looking. Will take a look at it.
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 ·  Posted: 19.06.2017  ·  #18
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Justin ,while trawling for your engine I found a 1997 Swift Motorhome with some roof damage, done 46000 miles on copart.co.uk with a bid of £2800 .Bids closing in a few days. Might be some use


Patrick, the 1997 one will be the older 2.5/2.5TD I think.
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 ·  Posted: 19.06.2017  ·  #19
Hi JJ, thought it might be of use as a fill in, if easily repaired ,and get him back on the road till he got a decent lump for his and then sell it on if it came at the right money. It may make him the price of doing his up proper as you know yourself secondhand engines are like betting on horses if you dont know their history
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Realistically, you will need to locate a van that is being dismantled and hopefully has not been thrashed mechanically. I think it will be case of ringing and emailing dismantlers in NI, ROI and across the water (and make sure they confirm to you the exact variant and condition etc before venturing out).

https://www.gumtree.com/p/van-…1249633743
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Realistically, you will need to locate a van that is being dismantled and hopefully has not been thrashed mechanically. I think it will be case of ringing and emailing dismantlers in NI, ROI and across the water (and make sure they confirm to you the exact variant and condition etc before venturing out).

https://www.gumtree.com/p/van-…1249633743


Thanks, I'll give them a bell and see what they have.
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #22
I just got a replacement propshaft for my x-trail on a site called breakerlink. Put in what you need and they send it out to their suppliers. I got 3 quotes that I thought was quite good. GB based although they say they cover Irish scrapyards also. Saved a lot of phoning round. Might be something similar in ROI.
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #23
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Realistically, you will need to locate a van that is being dismantled and hopefully has not been thrashed mechanically. I think it will be case of ringing and emailing dismantlers in NI, ROI and across the water (and make sure they confirm to you the exact variant and condition etc before venturing out).

https://www.gumtree.com/p/van-…1249633743


Thanks, I'll give them a bell and see what they have.


Ok, good news, the engine in this is apparently a 43N. It has 77k (miles)
It's coming from a Iveco Daily motorway maintenance vehicle used for replacing cats eyes apparently.
Anyone got any thoughts on this? These 43N engines seem to be as rare as hens teeth so am seriously considering this. Am going to have to bite the bullet at some stage.....
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #24
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I just got a replacement propshaft for my x-trail on a site called breakerlink. Put in what you need and they send it out to their suppliers. I got 3 quotes that I thought was quite good. GB based although they say they cover Irish scrapyards also. Saved a lot of phoning round. Might be something similar in ROI.


Thanks, I'll give them a go.
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #26
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If you go for it remember to change belts, pumps and pullies to be safe.


Most definitely! Will be making sure of that.
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #27
That looks a very good bet, as it was council owned it would have had a service schedule and the council workers are known for not rushing too hard. At that mileage it should be just run in
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That looks a very good bet, as it was council owned it would have had a service schedule and the council workers are known for not rushing too hard. At that mileage it should be just run in


Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, usually they would be punctual with services etc. Hopefully can get sorted with it.
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #29
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That looks a very good bet, as it was council owned it would have had a service schedule and the council workers are known for not rushing too hard. At that mileage it should be just run in


Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, usually they would be punctual with services etc. Hopefully can get sorted with it.


I would be of a different openion, those miles are small but remember a lot of those were put up in 1st and 2nd gear crawling along the hi way, choking up the engine with carbon and glazing the cylinder bores due not working up to the correct temperature. I once had a tractor that belong to a council with very small hours and the engine didn't last very long. I would prefer an engine that was driven hard. You might be lucky though, hopefully it will work out for you.
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #30
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That looks a very good bet, as it was council owned it would have had a service schedule and the council workers are known for not rushing too hard. At that mileage it should be just run in


Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, usually they would be punctual with services etc. Hopefully can get sorted with it.


I would be of a different openion, those miles are small but remember a lot of those were put up in 1st and 2nd gear crawling along the hi way, choking up the engine with carbon and glazing the cylinder bores due not working up to the correct temperature. I once had a tractor that belong to a council with very small hours and the engine didn't last very long. I would prefer an engine that was driven hard. You might be lucky though, hopefully it will work out for you.


Thanks, I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately I'll need to take a gamble on this at some stage and weighing up everything this seems to be the best option at the moment.
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #31
Looking at the pros and cons, you have a white van man who chases up and down the roads flat out in any gear, or the one who does a days work at reasonable pace not being pushed and then a clear out on the way home, as these chaps cover a good area. The main thing is cost ,if you are loaded no probs.
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #32
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That looks a very good bet, as it was council owned it would have had a service schedule and the council workers are known for not rushing too hard. At that mileage it should be just run in


Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, usually they would be punctual with services etc. Hopefully can get sorted with it.


I would be of a different openion, those miles are small but remember a lot of those were put up in 1st and 2nd gear crawling along the hi way, choking up the engine with carbon and glazing the cylinder bores due not working up to the correct temperature. I once had a tractor that belong to a council with very small hours and the engine didn't last very long. I would prefer an engine that was driven hard. You might be lucky though, hopefully it will work out for you.


Thanks, I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately I'll need to take a gamble on this at some stage and weighing up everything this seems to be the best option at the moment.


I understand that, I am not trying to put a damper on things, just make sure that it will fit, your van is Fwd and the Iveco might be Rwd at least any that I had anything to do with were. Better still if you can get the Engine supplier to fit it and cover it with warranty. Even thought the engines are the same you might have to change a lot of Ancillaries.
By the way did you remove the head from your own engine to access the damage?
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #33
If it is a model match, has 77k and isn't chucking out blue smoke on cold start up (can it be seen running?) and saves you big time on courier or ferry, I would be going for it - worse case you may have some comeback if there is a problem. I am not convinced by a lot of these "refurbished" engines offered for sale across the water but I have no personal experience to draw on.
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I understand that, I am not trying to put a damper on things, just make sure that it will fit, your van is Fwd and the Iveco might be Rwd at least any that I had anything to do with were. Better still if you can get the Engine supplier to fit it and cover it with warranty. Even thought the engines are the same you might have to change a lot of Ancillaries.
By the way did you remove the head from your own engine to access the damage?
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Unfortunately the engine is in Newry and the camper is in Wicklow. Need to get engine to camper.
From what I have been told the cylinder head is damaged beyond repair, I think he said it was broken in 4 places. (??)
Don't know much if anything about engines tho.
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 ·  Posted: 20.06.2017  ·  #35
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If it is a model match, has 77k and isn't chucking out blue smoke on cold start up (can it be seen running?) and saves you big time on courier or ferry, I would be going for it - worse case you may have some comeback if there is a problem. I am not convinced by a lot of these "refurbished" engines offered for sale across the water but I have no personal experience to draw on.


I haven't seen it running but seller assures me that it is running 100% (suppose he is not going to say anything elae😀)
Seller says that he will stand over the engine and will take back if any issues.
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 ·  Posted: 06.09.2017  ·  #36
Hi All, just a good news update... replacement engine fitted, road tested and we (wife and two kids) are enjoying wine and cheese (Coke for the kids!) sitting outside our camper in Benodet in Brittany on a 2 week break!!!

SO HAPPY to have the camper back up and running after a such a disastrous summer with no camper.

Thank you all for your great advice and actually helping me find the required 'Hens tooth' engine... for a while we thought we may not be able to get one, but we bought the one in Newry that one of the craic'rs found in the end up and it is running great.
You are all wonderful people and a credit to this wonderful lifestyle !! Thank you.
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 ·  Posted: 06.09.2017  ·  #38
" we (wife and two kids) are enjoying wine and cheese (Coke for the kids!) sitting outside our camper in Benodet in Brittany on a 2 week break!!! "
Hi Justin great news, whats the weather like, are you on a site for the whole holiday.
Hope to be down that way Saturday afternoon.
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 ·  Posted: 06.09.2017  ·  #39
Hi Martin, we are in a site in Benodet till Saturday, then heading out to travel about for a few days staying wherever the van takes us and then have a few nights in a site near Baden before we head home on 17th.
Weather is nice, not overly warm so pack a jumper.
Warm enough to sit outside and have a few drinks.
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 ·  Posted: 06.09.2017  ·  #40
Delighted you got it sorted and got away to France - well done!
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