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French clean air stickers for cities....

· Posted: 07.02.2017 · #1

Just wondering if anyone else has seen this yet, appears to be major cities so far.

http://www.rac.co.uk/drive/new…ch-cities/

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Re: French clean air stickers for cities....

· Posted: 07.02.2017 · #2

I have posted on it on motorhomefacts, here is the official site for application.

https://www.certificat-air.gouv.fr/

The site is not entirely clear on some points, so some have applied using a scan of the V5 page two as the certification document. The biggest issue so far is sizing the picture for submission. I am waiting until others have successfully received a disc.

Some argue that if you avoid Paris it will be fine, but there appear to be plans to roll it out to 22 other cities and towns. See the list in this article.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/m…icles.html

Worth the hassle of applying as it costs only about €5 including postage. It may be that you could inadvertently catch a €100+ fine in another city if you are not on your toes.

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Edit. The other slightly uncertain point was that we assume we apply as a private car if under 3500kg as there is no specific mention of Motorhome she.

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Re: French clean air stickers for cities....

· Posted: 07.02.2017 · #3

I have been looking into it too Davy and not only is there no Motorhome category but there seems to be no over 3500 kg unless you are a lorry or coach

Am I reading it wrong?

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· Posted: 07.02.2017 · #4

You are as far as I can see correct Mark. The same comment has been made on Motorhomefacts. Here are a couple of links to the topic, a few have applied but no one is confident yet that they have correctly completed the process. I will update this thread when I find out exactly how it is done.

http://forums.motorhomefacts.c…ckers.html

http://forums.motorhomefacts.c…-31-a.html

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Re: French clean air stickers for cities....

· Posted: 07.02.2017 · #5

Quote by mickcork

Just wondering if anyone else has seen this yet, appears to be major cities so far.

http://www.rac.co.uk/drive/new…ch-cities/

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· Posted: 07.02.2017 · #6

It looks like my vehicle 1994 Diesel is a no go in any of the towns effected from 8 to 8 every day of the week. There's no sticker for me yet.Nice explanation here and ink.
http://www.aph.com/community/h…-crit-air/

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· Posted: 07.02.2017 · #7

Ive applied for my sticker , had to use the laptop not the IPad as I couldn't scan the registration cert small enough- it has to be 200K max which is pretty small so I opened it in Microsoft Paint and scaled it. Ive received th acknowledgment email so hopefully the disc will arrive shortly, will post if it arrives.

BTW also applied for a toll tag for the French motorways, it arrived yesterday so we're hopefully all set for French motoring! It's at www.atmb.com if anyone wants to apply, it's avialable in English, although the documentation is in French when you get the tag !

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· Posted: 14.02.2017 · #8

Hi Kevin.
What did you send ATMB a copy of for identification purposes

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Re: French clean air stickers for cities....

· Posted: 14.02.2017 · #9

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Hi Kevin.
What did you send ATMB a copy of for identification purposes

I don't think I sent anything for mine. Just the reg number, address, and payment method. No V5 or anything.
All on-line, arrives quickly.
We're off to France soon, not bothering about emissions sticker as we're not interested in cities that it effects currently.

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· Posted: 14.02.2017 · #10

have another look at the paperwork that came with the Toll Tag .with my one there was a form for direct mandate for payment ( which you and I did on line when filling in the application on line ) but also there is a request for ID such as an identity card or passport,when I tanked to them the Lady said all I had to do was return the form . I also had a French friend look at the form to make sure of what they wanted.

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· Posted: 14.02.2017 · #11

Your probably right Sprinter.
We've ours now for a few years, ATMB sent us a new tag last year. Our payment is by credit card .
I do vaguely remember scanning my drivers licence come to think about it.

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French clean air stickers for cities...

· Posted: 14.02.2017 · #12

ATMB are still doing that deal on tags until 21 March

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what a scam

· Posted: 15.02.2017 · #13

Yet another money making scan generated by the global freezing crowd..time to get out of the EU before people themselves get stickers.. what a joke..

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· Posted: 21.02.2017 · #14

Quote by sprinter

Hi Kevin.
What did you send ATMB a copy of for identification purposes

I sent a copy of a utility bill (phone bill) and a copy of my licence, by post. I wasn't sure if my French translation of the documentation I got was right but I think it asked for proof of address (odd given that I wouldn't get the form if the tag wasn't delivered to the address anyway

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Anyhow all sees ok, will have to wait till we get to France at the end of May to see if it works

Haven't received the environment tag yet though.....

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French clean air stickers for cities..

· Posted: 02.03.2017 · #15

The toll tag.
I scanned a copy of our E flow bill and drivers License and attached it to an email, got a reply today to say everything was fine.

Air quality certificate
I received this message below today along with the invoice attached.

Dear,

We ask you to please find attached your invoice for your air quality control certificate for the vehicle registered

Your certificate will be sent shortly by mail to the address where the vehicle is registered.
In the meantime, this bill allows you to justify your approach and classification of your vehicle.

Please accept, Madam, Sir, our best regards.

The delivery service of air quality certificates

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The Motorhome Owners (neverending) Story

· Posted: 16.03.2017 · #16

I received the Air Quality Badge last Friday 10th March

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· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #17

Interesting post from a member on Autosleeper-ownersforum asking for info on when he was allowed into Paris.

I have turned up this link.

https://www.crit-air.fr/en/informati...cr.html#c26598

You do have to follow a further link to the city of interest. For instance today vehicles with stickers E to 5 are permitted.

Might be worth book marking.

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· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #18

Grenoble has a huge potential area including the motorways through it. Can see this being a good revenue earner from visitors as there will be no signage indicating when you enter the ZPA zone.

Grenoble has already applied the restriction for several days in January.

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· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #19

I've got my vignette OK, Level 4 for my 2005 Ducato engine... the fun bit will be first noticing the warning signs among all the other stuff you have to look out for, and then knowing whether there is a restriction in place- not very user-freindly for tourists anyway!

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Re: French clean air stickers for cities....

· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #20

Is there any clarification on which class for over 3500kg?

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· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #21

I assume, Mark, you are asking about the crit-air disc. This thread has become a bit confusing with the toll tags for motorways being intertwined.

I have not seen any reference that I can recall on the 4 other Motorhome forums I frequent. I will try and revisit the threads.

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· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #22

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Is there any clarification on which class for over 3500kg?

Mark, there is a table on the web site that shows what class each vehicle type is, depending on weight and age. See this web link: https://www.crit-air.fr/en/inf…lours.html
It shows which category and therefore which class you will fit into.

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· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #23

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Quote by mark

Is there any clarification on which class for over 3500kg?

Does this mean that over 3500kg is classed the same as trucks and buses

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Re: French clean air stickers for cities....

· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #24

The red square at the right hand side appears to indicate that over 3500 is classed as a truck.

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Re: French clean air stickers for cities....

· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #25

Yeah Paul it does look like that.
I have been putting it off as i find it strange there is no camping car class considering how many are in the country.

Thanks everyone

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· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #26

Quote by Chevy g20

The red square at the right hand side appears to indicate that over 3500 is classed as a truck.

Didnt see that first time through. Copy below

Indication about the classification of motor homes
Motor homes with a total weight up to 3, 5 tons are classified as cars.
Motor homes with a total weight of 3,5 tons or more are classified as trucks.

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· Posted: 03.04.2017 · #27

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Are you under or over 3500kg

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· Posted: 04.04.2017 · #28

Quote by mark

Yeah Paul it does look like that.
I have been putting it off as i find it strange there is no camping car class considering how many are in the country.

Thanks everyone

There is a box on the page with the following text:

Indication about the classification of motor homes

Motor homes with a total weight up to 3, 5 tons are classified as cars.
Motor homes with a total weight of 3,5 tons or more are classified as trucks.

So I'd guess if you are over 3.5t it's a truck classification.

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· Posted: 04.04.2017 · #29

Kabundi- we are 3.5t. So our 2005 van is class 4. Over 3.5t woud be class 5.
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· Posted: 04.04.2017 · #30

We are 4250 kg and i think we are classed 2.

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· Posted: 04.04.2017 · #31

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We are 4250 kg and i think we are classed 2.

If Class 2 and classed as a truck then the table suggests you are Euro 6 registered after 01/01/14.

However if classed as a car or light utility you are Euro 5 or Euro 6 registered after 01/01/11

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· Posted: 04.04.2017 · #32

this is where its getting complicated as Mark's van is def a Euro 5, the Euro 6's are only out this year so it may cause a problem registering

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· Posted: 04.04.2017 · #33

I'll try and register and see what happens.

I am Euro 5 and 3850 kg, this seems to suggest that I should get Class 3.

However I am registered in 2014 which suggests Class 2

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· Posted: 07.04.2017 · #34

Easy, class 2 yellow sticker on its way. Another sticker for the windscreen!

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· Posted: 23.04.2017 · #35

Quote by kabundi

I'll try and register and see what happens.

I am Euro 5 and 3850 kg, this seems to suggest that I should get Class 3.

However I am registered in 2014 which suggests Class 2

Applied on 12th April and got confirmation email and invoice as Class 2 on 14th April. Actual disc, yellow Class 2 , for windscreen arrived yesterday 22nd April. Doesn't appear to be any logic as to how they arrive at the classification, however I've now got a disc with the registration number on the windscreen.

Also applied the same day for the German equivalent which also arrived yesterday as green Class 4 which is in line with how I interpret their website. Only communication was an immediate email order acknowledgement.

I wonder how many more of these discs for other countries we will need to stick on the windscreen. Instructions say bottom right!!

I only sent Page 2 of the V5C to both agencies as this was the only way I could get the file size down to what they wanted.

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Extension of scheme

· Posted: 23.08.2017 · #36

As expected the crit air scheme is beginning to extend to other french cities. Looking like Lille, Strasbourg and Bordeaux could be enforcing the stickers by the end of 2017.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/m…ckers.html

Worth applying for at only a few euros before next years trips to save hassle.

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· Posted: 23.08.2017 · #37

Situation is complicated. The vignette-system is simple, but every city has it's own rules. In Lyon, people from abroad don't even need a bignette while the French do... Every city makes it's own rules.
As for now, Paris is the only city with a permanent envirionment zone (within the circle of the Boulevard Périphérique), so most people from abroad haven no problem passing Paris. However, in cases in heavy polution, te area is widened and also applies for classes 4 and 5, normally allowed in Paris centre. In lille, the zone now is only applied in case of high pollution, but they'reaimeing at a permanent zone also.
The vignette is just under 5 euro, so my advice is to get, just in case. However, keep in mind that even with a vignette older motorhomes classed 3, 4 or 5 could be banned. Especially in cases of high pollution. In these cases, it should be mentioned on information panels above or along the roads.
Furthermore, keep in mind that the mentioned official link at gouv.fr is the only one where you pay just 4.80 euro (including sending to other countries). There are other sites, much better in seo marketing, that charge up to 30 euro for exactly the same vignette.

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Re: French clean air stickers for cities....

· Posted: 01.09.2017 · #38

We got ours a while back although we didn't expect to be in any of the effected cities this year.
I thought we might as well have at as we do visit some of the larger cities.

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· Posted: 25.11.2017 · #39

And lo, it came to pass that the Crit Air scheme crept further across the French countryside, or the cities to be more precise.

https://www.connexionfrance.co…n-stickers

A pat on the back for those who, despite the ‘don’t do it’ lobby have had the wit and wisdom to spend the four euros. The roll out of the scheme will catch people out since there is no trumpeting of the expansion by the French authorities or the uk newspapers.

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· Posted: 25.11.2017 · #40

If France start to make things difficult for Motorhomers sure Spain is just a little bit further down the road where food and drink is much cheaper.

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