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Posted: 25.11.2012  ·  #1
Who fancies trying one of THESE and letting me know how good it is before I buy one? :D

In all seriousness it seems like a good idea!


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Posted: 25.11.2012  ·  #2
Heat exchangers.

Expensive starting at £175 but a damned good idea. Surprising these aren't fitted as standard on modern motorhomes tbh...

I've used heat exchangers on non motorhome applications before.

Like the £50 one here on eBay -

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Stainle…53f073e9f7


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Posted: 25.11.2012  ·  #3
That's cheaper but I wouldn't have a clue how to fit it!


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Posted: 25.11.2012  ·  #4
Not much use if parked up in a site for a few days or a morning shower if engine off all night.
Can hot water be stored in a insulated cylinder?


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Posted: 25.11.2012  ·  #5
I have a het exchanger in my van, it was in when we got it but it only heats the van not the water. The fan blows hot air or cold depending what you need and it gets rid of the cold air behind you as you drive along.


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Posted: 25.11.2012  ·  #6
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Not much use if parked up in a site for a few days or a morning shower if engine off all night.


You're supposed to let the engine idle for about 4 minutes to generate the "free" hot water.


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If that is the case it is not ''Free'' Water.

You're supposed to let the engine idle for about 4 minutes to generate the "free" hot water.
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Posted: 25.11.2012  ·  #8
I think the idea is to have water when you arrive which would be quite handy and save on Gas, but be a long time getting a return at that price.


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Posted: 26.11.2012  ·  #9
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I think the idea is to have water when you arrive ...


Quite right, but Chausson was asking about the morning after arrival. Here's from the site:

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The Free Heater system can either instantly use an already hot engine after a run to make hot water, or you can run the engine for only 3 mins in summer or 4 mins in spring to reach the operating temperature, which is very quick indeed (See warm up graph). This is so much better than waiting one hour or so for a gas system to make only a couple of gallons of hot water which is used up all too quickly.
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Posted: 26.11.2012  ·  #10
This sounds interesting. :-)


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Posted: 26.11.2012  ·  #11
I like the idea of it in winter months especially, usually Wild Camping and travelling most days, so the water would be heating each time.


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This would be a free hot water alternative around a craic fire



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Seen something along the lines of that on Grand Designs to heat up a Hot Tub.


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Posted: 26.11.2012  ·  #14
i cant see how it works what part of your engine would be warm after 4 mins even the exaust would not be warm and even if it was it would not stay warm after you turn off the engine i have a heat exchanger in my van which has its own dedicated boiler and it takes about 10 mins to heat up after that heat and hot water aplenty but the boiler like any heater has to stay on


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According to the diagram on the Website the heat exchanger takes water from the cooling system. So you run the engine until the temperature reaches 35°C and that provides water hot enough for a shower - supposedly. Again according to the site that takes about 4 minutes of idling.


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i cant see how it works what part of your engine would be warm after 4 mins even the exaust would not be warm and even if it was it would not stay warm after you turn off the engine i have a heat exchanger in my van which has its own dedicated boiler and it takes about 10 mins to heat up after that heat and hot water aplenty but the boiler like any heater has to stay on


All the heat exchanger does is transfer heat from one liquid circuit to another liquid circuit so the engine would have to be running for continuous hot water.

Simplified example of heat exchanger -



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Will That works in reverse too, if the engine is not left running the cold water going through the heat exchanger will cool the water in your engine block and your shower will get colder the longer you use it ?


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Posted: 27.11.2012  ·  #18
In the vid the circulation pump has to be switched on to pump the water through and the engine is left running. So the looks similar to a home heating system in that heat is pumped away from the heat source which is the engine coolent. Presumably when the circulation pump is switched off, there is an amount of colder water which becomes static in the feed pipe to the tank, tap or shower head. The question I would have to ask the manufacturer is what happenes to the static water. Does it boil and create a pressure of steam in the system as there is now no circulation, or are you supposed to somehow allow the susplus to drain away exchanging the water in the system for air?

On the face of this vid it looks like the left over water in the system is redundant which would mean this heat exchange system would have to be a tandem circuit and could not heat an internal tank of hot water....it would surely be on a supply on demand additional extra?


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Think of it this way... The coolant in yer average car engine runs at around 90c at normal operating temperature. All their heat exchanger does is transfer that heat from the flowing engine coolant circuit to the 'domestic' circuit BUT it does not store the heated water, It simply transfers the heat from the engine coolant as the 'domestic' water passes through the heat exchanger. Turn off the engine and you would run out of 'domestic' hot water gradually. The water in the heat exchanger wouldn't "boil" when the engine shut off, it'd simply heat the standing water in the domestic side of the exchanger up to the temperature of the engine coolant (90c). I guess this is why these guys have a thermostatic mixer valve in their system. To prevent someone from getting scalded...

I'm not sure it'd be the most efficient in a camper, I guess its down to HOW you use the camper. It would be perfect in a fishing boat where the engine is nearly always running...

In our case, would a 6.6litre petrol engine be more efficient at heating water when at a campsite? Having to start & run the engine for hot water versus using the LPG furnace? I'm not so sure...

If you look at the moglanders blog, they have a different system. They have the engine coolant lines connected to a coil in their water storage tank which heats their 30 litres of 'domestic' hot water as they drive. http://moglander.com/?page_id=2107 The risk in that system is eventually getting that stored water up to 90c... A thermostatic mixer would be vital in this system too.

For a system that uses the vehicles engine to heat the domestic water, I think I prefer the moglander approach...


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Posted: 27.11.2012  ·  #20
i think you are right kevin it is only really suitable for continious running engines like fishing boats these guys are just trying to boost sales ( moglander living the dream ) 8-)


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Posted: 28.11.2012  ·  #21
Out in the MH last night, it was pretty cold! thought I would see how long it takes for heat to come out of the vents, lost interest, but a damn site longer than 4 minutes.


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Posted: 28.11.2012  ·  #22
it will only take about 10 to 15 mins the same as at home


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