Puncture in France

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Posted: 01.07.2016  ·  #1
Going on the premise that there is no such thing as a stupid question .........

Are punctures easy to fix on a 6 berth Fiat Ducato campervan? Worried about what the hell to do if we get a puncture in France - pretty good changing in a car but never done it in camper. Roadside assist? (or am I just a big girls blouse?)


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Posted: 01.07.2016  ·  #2
warning triangles out front and back, hiviz jackets on and ring for roadside assistance, do you really want to try to change a wheel on a van weighing around 4+tonnes! There may be laws against doing it yourself on a motorway.


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Posted: 01.07.2016  ·  #3
John is right.
we get puncture seal put in the tyre of all our motorhomes.


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Puncture seal?? Sounds Good.

Is that the foam from an aerosol can?


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You can either carry a can and put it in yourself or have the gel prefitted before your journey by a tyre company


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Posted: 01.07.2016  ·  #7
Seems like a great idea for a motorhome.

I've seen something like it used with ride lawnmowers where pneumatic effect is not that important and something that seems similar came with one of our cars that didn't have a spare wheel. In that case the instruction on the kit was to restrict speed and go to the nearest service center to have the puncture repaired.

More dumb questions....

Does "Puncture Seal" provide the inflation pressure (i.e. replace the air) or is it just there in foam form and available to plug the hole as the air escapes?

Any downside(s) to having it permanently in the tyres?

Thanks.


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Posted: 01.07.2016  ·  #8
I thought the "how does it work" section in the link answered most questions.

Seals a hole within two revolutions. It can't replace the air but forms a barrier so air loss in minimal. If you check your pressures regularly you should be fine. It isn't foam it is liquid which becomes is impregnated with flecks of rubber.


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By coincidence I had to have a puncture repaired this morning in Lourdes. We have been out in France for about 4 weeks now and after arriving on a site yesterday afternoon I did the weekly checks. Front left was down to 40psi. 'Un clou dans mon pneu'. Luckily it was a big flat headed beast so I was able to google repairers. Good job too as the first on street view was in an arrow street with double yellows. The second had a large open parking area in front of its six bays. A national chain.

The downside was that they charged 20€ for wheel removal, patch and refit. Took ages but at least it was done. I also made sure I had some of the French words available, such as pression (pressure) torsion (torque) etc. I stood over the process to make sure they used the correct jacking point etc.

The upside ? It did not fail me yesterday morning as we made our way down the gorge from Gavarnie. 15 miles of twisting narrow rock overhangs and huge drops beside my wheel.

Good idea to perhaps make a list of useful terms and technical details to have. I was fortunate that I could drive 4km from the site to a tyre depot and had time last night to do my homework.

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Posted: 02.07.2016  ·  #10
Hadn't seen the how it works bit of the advert. If it does what it says it does, it's the business.
Thamks for introducing it to us all Mark.


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Big prob is if you use tyre seal repair shops will not want to fix as it leaves a load of slyme inside tyre so patches will not stick,most then want to fit a new one,they can be washed out and dried but they dont want the bother.


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Posted: 02.07.2016  ·  #12
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they can be washed out and dried but they dont want the bother.


That's when I'd be getting insistent that it gets washed and repaired,
Puncture repair €20 V New tyre €150 I know what I'd be doing :up:


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The link that I posted is a tyre sales and fitting place. I only get my tyres there as they do not have a problem with removing the seal and even reusing it in the new tyres.


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A few years ago I got a puncture (valve seal went) in San Marino, Italy.
Instead of getting out the jack I took out my phone and called Roadside Assistance as provided as part of the Dolmen Insurance package.
Within the hour an Italian recovery truck arrived and had the wheel changed in 15 minutes, with no charge, :D

If you have roadside assistance why risk jacking a 4 tonne vehicle to change a wheel yourself.


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one thing I have had experience of is that the tyre sealant can destroy the tyre pressure monitors which are now being fitted to van platforms, we have had merc sprinters having to have them replaced!


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Posted: 04.07.2016  ·  #16
thanks for response on this - thought I was going to get "ya big old girlie" type responses but the thought of trying to lift a motorhome versus phoning roadside assist - just wanted to make sure it was acceptable to do that to change a tyre. Glad I posted the question


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I would have no problem changing a wheel in the van if the spare was on the ground beside me, but there is no way that I would crawl under the van to remove the spare with it sitting on the Jack, I can't see how you would get it out if a back wheel was flat with out jacking it first. My advice is don't dream of attempting to change it after all you are on Holidays.


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Big prob is if you use tyre seal repair shops will not want to fix as it leaves a load of slyme inside tyre so patches will not stick,most then want to fit a new one,they can be washed out and dried but they dont want the bother.


I'd read about this, too, BUT, my local tyre depot didn't bother about it, even though I had advised them that a sealant was in the tyre.
They simply wiped the excess out, from the alloy wheel, with a synthetic rag, and fitted the replacement tyre. No Problems.
Just to explain, I had the spare tyre changed from it's steel rim, to the regular alloy, because, on examination, I'd scuffed the existing tyre.

Incidentally, I've been driving with all the tyres injected with "Punture Safe", for over 10 years.
I haven't had any problems, and don't carry a spare (to save weight).

I remove all the road wheels. as part of my annual service, and thoroughly check the tyres, as well, of course, as regular visual checks.

The tyres are Michelin XC Camper, and are currently 11 years old. The manufacturers advise replacement at 10 years, so, I might replace them, next year.


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OK Dan "ya big old girly " :D :D


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The tyres are Michelin XC Camper, and are currently 11 years old. The manufacturers advise replacement at 10 years, so, I might replace them, next year.


I was led to believe that they should be changed at a much shorter interval, I know the previous owner of our Motorhome changed them at 5 years. Any one know at what age they fail the test?


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I thought it was four years due to side wall rubber degradation.


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The tyres are Michelin XC Camper, and are currently 11 years old. The manufacturers advise replacement at 10 years, so, I might replace them, next year.


I was led to believe that they should be changed at a much shorter interval, I know the previous owner of our Motorhome changed them at 5 years. Any one know at what age they fail the test?


They don't fail tests, on age, just condition. For Michelin's, the manufacturer advice is 10 years, BUT that is only advice. It is not mandatory.

If you have any concerns, about the condition of your tyres, then replace them, whatever the age.


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I had the old type XC Campers as original equipment on my MH. After 5 years they had to be changed due to crazing on the side walls, they did spend a lot of the time in sunnier climes though.

Also, while the sidewalls may appear to be OK there can be splitting between the treads which is not as obvious.

Another thing to consider is that the old XC were not particularly good in the wet and went quite hard with age. The new Agilis Camper are a far superior tyre.

If your tyres are now 10 years old trying to get a bit more out of them could be a very costly false economy.
Personally, I always buy a premium product when I buy tyres and avoid budget brands, those four small patches of rubber need to be the best possible performers in all weather and operating conditions.


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Because we've had Rv's with the weight and size of the spare that it entails, I wouldn't dream of changing a tyre on the Autoroute or any other route for that matter, way too dangerous ! In fact, due to the weight of a wheel, I only carry a spare tyre and get the repair guy to fit the tyre if a repair can't be done and I ain't no 'girls blouse' having changed wheels on trucks in the past. Believe me, it's no fun !!


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On our first trip to arrange with our new (to us!) 2000 RollerTeam, some
up one morning to find a flat rear tyre.
I had brought the small frilly back I keep in the keep, as no back came with the M/H. It wouldn't lift it high enough however. You need a bottle back with a high lift to get the body up enough to take the wheel off the ground. A nearby French motorhomer came to my aid with his jack. Put on the spare and drove to a garage to get a plug in it. €10. Seriously akward getting at the spare. Even worse getting it put back up in its cradle.


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I'm with Baguette on this - ring roadside assistance with Dolmen
I had a backtyre blowout on a french motorway and had a roadside assistance guy out to me in 15 mins to put down warning cones, had a tow truck out in an hour and got towed to a nearby village where they put on the spare. They also organised a replacement tyre from a tyre specialist in a nearby town, the specialist rotated the wheels and gave all the tyres the once over .
Only had to pay for the new tyre


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Very much agree on that, if you have breakdown cover on your ins.(I do) then you may as well use it. Far safer on the side of the road :)


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Two flat tyres in 24 hours in France, firstly on the n13 to Cherbourg blow out had to wait 3 hrs for assistance, no joy then was towed away to the nearest village, got it sorted out, missed boat pulled into campsite plugged in electric and now another on the other side. Different size tyre now on van as they couldn't get one the same, yellow warning light and van travelling at snails pace home. Still not sorted hopefully when we pull into rosslare. Had 4 new continental tyres fitted a few days before I left home. A complete disaster. 🇧🇭 🇧🇭


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That's unbelievable bad luck Brendan, how do you account for a blow out on a new tyre. We never got a puncture since we started Motorhoming. Hopefully you will get home without too much hassle.


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Our last Motorhome never put a foot wrong. Everything went like clockwork. Our new Motorhome had two punctures and a windscreen chip in the space of a few weeks. Near side rear (large flat head nail) cost £7 to repair locally) the near side front (also a large flat headed nail) occurred in Lourdes a few weeks later. €20 for a patch. Money lenders and temple springs to mind. The windscreen chip was efficiently dealt with by Autoglass via my policy.

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Hard luck Brendan, hope you get back safely. :up: :up:


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Hope you get it sorted. I had a puncture a week before France. The jack lifted the van ok but I couldn't get enough force on the brace to loosen the bolts - local tyre company came out and removed the wheel. I took an inflation kit and a can of tyre sealant to France and thankfully didn't need to use it.

After years of not having punctures I have had 2 within a year in my car (one required a new tyre), 1 on the wifes and one on the camper.


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